January 31, 2008

Original Sin Reveals Distinct M & F Roles


Adam Wimps Out. Eve Grabs the Power.

Complementarianism believes that men and women
are equal
in the sense that they bear God’s image equally. Complementarianism further believes that Scripture teaches male/female distinctions in design and roles. Not the result of the Fall of Man as evangelical feminists
(or egalitarians) believe, God’s gift of complementary manhood and womanhood was exhilarating in the beginning.
Its attendant masculine headship and feminine submission was intended for humanity's good.


The following excerpt from CBMW by J. Ligon Duncan, III argues that God’s intended roles were disregarded by Adam and Eve, and their disobedience to His design caused the Fall.

A Dramatic Role Reversal

"When we turn to Genesis 3:1-24, we see several… important factors relating to biblical manhood and womanhood. In verses 1-5, in which the serpent approaches Eve with the temptation of taking the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that God had expressly forbidden to Adam, you will note that role reversal plays a significant part in the whole fall scenario. Eve is placed in the position of defending God's words to the mocking serpent while Adam is silent, though he is apparently present. Adam is the one who has been given the command not to take of the fruit of the tree, and he is apparently right there. And when Eve finally decides, she looks, she sees, she sees that the fruit is good and it's desirable; she takes of it herself and then we're told simply that she took and gave to Adam… She could turn to him and say, "Here, you take this too."

Not the result of the Fall of Man as evangelical feminists (or egalitarians) believe, God’s gift of complementary manhood and womanhood was exhilarating in the beginning. Its attendant masculine headship and feminine submission was intended for humanity's good.


And this is further confirmed by the fact that when God comes later to meet with Adam, he doesn't come looking for Eve; He comes looking for Adam. It's not as if God is tracking down Eve who has done this, while poor Adam is totally clued out, [and] doesn't know anything that is going on. God immediately is looking for Adam, because Adam knew everything that was going on and failed to defend God's word while his wife stood there having this conversation with the serpent.

So, the whole picture is a picture of role reversal where Adam failed his spiritual responsibility. He should have stepped up and said, "Serpent, you have no business questioning my wife about the commands God has given to her. God gave those commands directly to me, and it's my responsibility to give an account and to be faithful to Him, and I'm here to give you the answers to your questions." Adam simply abdicates that spiritual responsibility, and Paul will highlight this in I Timothy 2, in fact, as he interprets Genesis 3, and indicates that role reversal is part of that whole scenario of the fall of Adam and Eve into sin."

Unique Punishments

"…If you look at verses 16-19 we find that God's punishments correspond to Adam and Eve's respective created purposes and roles, as well as their respective defections. The punishments are therefore gender specific and gender related... For instance, if you note in verses 16-19, what are two of Eve's punishments? They relate to her area of child bearing and her being a wife. She's now going to bear children in pain and furthermore, there's going to be tension interjected into her relationship with her husband, where she desires him and yet he rules over her. So the language indicates a tension introduced into the husband-wife relationship.

…On the other hand, the man who has been given the job of providing and spiritual leadership, what will happen to him? In precisely the areas in which is to provide, the ground itself, the earth itself, is going to fight him. So the punishments relate to Adam and Eve's respective created purposes and roles, as well as to the way they defected from those roles, and therefore they are gender specific and gender related. So we see even in God's punishment a distinction between the being and the roles of man and woman…"

The Outcome Today
"…In the home, the husband's loving, humble headship tends to be replaced by domination or passivity; the wife's intelligent, willing submission tends to be replaced by usurpation or servility.

In the church, sin inclines men toward a worldly love of power or an abdication of spiritual responsibility, and inclines women to resist limitations on their roles or to neglect the use of their gifts in appropriate ministries.

We have to work hard to make sure that we don't use the biblical principles as an excuse to allow the distortions to go on. We must address those distortions, but we must also promote the biblical principles being lived out as best as we can possibly live them in the life of the home and church. Amen."

Related

Check out Bonnie’s thoughtful article at Intellectuelle where she wrestles with the challenging topic of Original Sin. A more recent entry of Bonnie's discusses the issue of male kephale (headship) in marriage.

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22 COMMENTS:

Connie Marie said...

Men and women and their biblical roles, the lines are all so hazy now a days.

I don't know about whether or not I agree.

I am excited about the next Marriage Monday though, I am gonna share my most memorable Valentine's day! ha

Sarah said...

E-mom, I'm going to answer this in a post, I hope that's OK, my comment got real loooooong.

Hugs.

Jennifer, Snapshot said...

Heather at L'Chaim is wrestling with her femininity and her role with God (her link is in my sidebar).

Praise and Coffee said...

What an awesome post girlfriend!
I am applauding you for your courage to post something so politically incorrect!
Thank you!!

the160acrewoods said...

I think that last part he says about women resisiting their roles and such.. I think that's pretty bang on. something that we hate to admit.. it's hard to put our pride down.
i'm not sure if I understood the whole thing lol (I'll admit that).. but from what I got is that our roles were set before the fall?? (sometimes my mommy brain kids in and I can't think straight lol)

Faith said...

A great post! I tend to agree with him. I do believe that Adam, as the spiritual head of the "household" should have not followed what Eve did...however...if they hadn't sinned, God wouldn't have needed to send us His Son, our Savior and Redeemer! This is good...I might even get my husband to read this (although he is sooo not into blogs!)

Sarah said...

sorry I put my comment in the wrong comment thread really,lol. My post in response to this post is up on my blog now.

Hugs

e-Mom said...

Connie Marie: Today, the lines may be hazy culturally, but God's Truth never changes. Our task is to interpret Scripture as accurately as possible, for today, yesterday, and tomorrow. God bless you in that endeavour.

Looking forward to reading your Valentine's story!

Sarah: Thanks for wrestling with this issue. I'll be over to read your thoughts soon. :~D

Jennifer: Thanks for the link. :~D

Praise and Coffee: I appreciate your support! Have a blessed day.

Amydeanne: Yes, you got the message. Yes, our roles were determined pre-Fall. And our pride is a BIG problem. :~D

Faith: I like your perspective on the Fall: ...if they hadn't sinned, God wouldn't have needed to send us his Son, our Savior and Redeemer. Our God is a loving God, and an amazing reconciler of sinners. Amen!

Matt said...

I dont really view the punishments as punishments. They are redemptive. Men can trhrow themselves into workand stillbe dissatisfied - "is this all there is?" and women can see children die or grow up to be delinquents. Husbands will be dissapointments to them. The key to understanding is to see the punishments in the context of being separated from the Tree of Life. Wouldn't it be horrible to be denied access to REAL Life and be content? We need these disappointments. These disappointments drive people to God. The punishments are redemptive.

Deb said...

Very thought provoking post, thanks for stopping by my blog, hope you spark some fires here:) See you again. God Bless:)

nannykim said...

I think I basically agree with your post. There is a little booklet that Grace Community Church puts out (John MacArthur's church)--it is called, "The Biblical Position on The Role of Women--The Elder's Perspective.--only 24 pages but very thorough (sp?) for its size.

Sheila said...

Wow! I really enjoyed this post. I keep bumping into it since I marked it to stay "new" on bloglines but havent' had a chance to stop and read it. I have to say I agree with the author.

This really stood out to me, "In the church, sin inclines men toward a worldly love of power or an abdication of spiritual responsibility, and inclines women to resist limitations on their roles or to neglect the use of their gifts in appropriate ministries."

It's seems the "ministry" field of the home, lifting up a man to be a leader and training children is veiwed, even in the church as second rate or not a "spiritual" calling. I can easily fall into that thinking too. But somehow God keeps giving me a heart of passion for His ways, even if it seems so many don't understand- even me.

I wonder if we in the church spent some time really studying 1 and 2 Timothy as much as Romans, Galatians and Ephesians, we would be faced with some irrefutable truths about how God applies the principles in the Roman, Galatian and Ephesian epistles to our differing roles has men/women, husband's/wives.

Thanks for the post.

See ya monday!
~Sheila

e-Mom said...

Matt: I agree that God's "punishments" or judgments are intented to be redemptive, ie. to bring people to repentence and back to a saving faith in God.

The OT repeatedly tells of the "Day of the Lord," coming to Israel, and Adam & Eve's expulsion from the Garden heads the list. According to prophesy, the final "Day of the Lord" with Christ's return will not be redemptive however, for the time for repentance will have passed.

Thanks for stopping by today. :~D

Deb: I appreciate your visit!

Nannykim: Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into that booklet. Nice to meet you. :~D

Sheila: I appreciate your thoughtful comment. The topics of servanthood and submission are being hotly debated among the most studied and intelligent theologians. Since we all come to the Scriptures saturated in secular values and untruth, it takes time (and the Spirit) for Truth to break through. You seem to have a good handle on this subject. Bless you, and carry on!

Buffy said...

I enjoyed reading your post.

I must admit I did not interpret the 'fall' as being as a result of gender role confusion but as a result of putting human judgement before God's commandments.

However, I am reading Disciplines of a Godly Woman by Barbara Hughes and this is clearly something she agrees with. She quotes from Phillip Jensen: "Eve's sin involved overturning the order of creation and teaching her husband. Similarly, Adam's sin came from 'listening' to his wife, in the sense of heeding and following her instruction. He was taught by her, thereby putting himself under her authority and reversing God's good ordering of creation."

Mandi said...

Amen! This is a great teaching! I am definitely in agreement with this - you just can't argue with Scripture! The very fact that the reference to Eve is made in this passage in Timothy tells us that the teaching is transcultural.
Sorry it has taken me so long to get over here and comment. We are finally moved and getting back into the swing of things. I am so glad that Jennifer (Diary of 1 - dont ya just love her new design?) sent you my way and that she won the Starbucks for it as well! ( :
Love your site and will definitely be back here often! Come back and visit me anytime - I am now starting to post regularly again.

Warmly,
Mandi

e-Mom said...

Buffy: Thanks for your comment, and nice to meet you. :~D

I'll have to check out Disciplines of a Godly Woman by Hughes. I agree with her thoughts. When pronouncing his judgments God turns to Adam and says, "Because you listened to your wife..." The idea, as Hughes suggests, is not that Adam had a conversation with Eve, but that he placed higher value on her words than God's... he wimped out in his responsibility to defend the Truth. It's also interesting that Eve turned around and "fed" Adam the fruit, rather than Adam being the one to provide the food... another role reversal.

Thanks for stopping by!

e-Mom said...

Mandi: Thanks for stopping by. So glad your move was successful! Yes, Jennifer's new desgin is awesome! :~D

Diane R said...

Very interesting and unique post.

However, I never hear about single women. When churches are asked about this, they usually mutter something untelligible and walk away. Are all women submitted to all men? Are single women "just" submitted to "God?" To the church? If so, who in the church? I would love to see a post from you on this.

Thanks.

Annette said...

good post, makes sense to me.

e-Mom said...

Diane R: You've raised some valid questions. I'll see what I can do to address them in a future post. Are you a subscriber? If so, then you won't miss it. By the way, nice to meet you. :~D

Anette: Thanks for commenting today.

shawn said...

I like what you wrote - "In the home, the husband's loving, humble headship tends to be replaced by domination or passivity; the wife's intelligent, willing submission tends to be replaced by usurpation or servility." I think it's a shame that there are these misrepresentations or misunderstandings of the roles God intends for men and women... There are some who claim to live biblically and follow these radical role definitions (putting men way up high and women way down low, as one example), which does nothing but scare off a bunch of people and causes them to think, "if that's biblical, I don't want any part of it!" Then we end up with two groups at both ends of the spectrum who are missing the mark. We (myself included) do indeed need to get back to Scripture and try to really live in the peace of God's design.

e-Mom said...

Shawn: Thanks for your comment. And nice to meet you! :~D Blessings.


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